Unique fast-food names

[gileri]

Following my last PR, I suggest the same adjustement for other franchises : Do not suggest incomplete names for franchises with unique, public-facing names. That will allow users to fill out the correct name using various editors such as iD, or StreetComplete.

Fast Foods

Bagel Corner

bagelcorner-e4dee6
https://restaurants.bagelcorner.fr/

bigfernand-8ddd61

https://bigfernand.com/restaurants/

exki-a3472e

https://www.exki.com/restaurants

fiveguys-200282

https://restaurants.fiveguys.com/pa/allentown
https://restaurants.fiveguys.fr/
https://www.societe.com/etablissement/five-guys-81751824400287.html
https://restaurants.fiveguys.be/en_be
https://restaurants.fiveguys.ae/en_ae
https://restaurants.fiveguys.ca/ab/calgary
https://restaurants.fiveguys.de/
https://restaurantes.fiveguys.es/index.html
[...]

flowerburger-777b0e

https://www.flowerburger.it/negozi/flower-burger-milano-garibaldi/
https://www.flowerburger.fr/stores/flower-burger-marseille/

laboiteapizza-e4dee6

https://www.laboiteapizza.com/landing/

lacroissanterie-7eae30

https://www.lacroissanterie.fr/trouver-restaurant/store/12/ANGOULEME%201%20(LA%20COURONNE)

malvon-d3d66f

https://www.malvon.es/tiendas

pommedepain-508db0

https://pommedepain.fr/restaurant/croixrault/
https://pommedepain.fr/restaurant/grombalia/

pretamanger-027ef2

Only US have purely address based "names". Other places have either unique names, or just 1 locations at the moment.
https://locations.pretamanger.fr/paris/place-louis-armand
https://www.pret.hk/en-HK/find-a-pret
https://www.pret.co.uk/en-GB/shop-finder

quick-9fdafe

https://www.quick.fr/aulnay-cc
https://www.quick.lu/fr/restaurant/kirchberg
https://www.quick.be/fr/restaurant/gare-du-midi

sushishop-ac545e

https://www.sushishop.fr/fr/restaurants
https://www.sushiart.ae/en/restaurants
https://www.sushishop.be/fr/restaurants
https://www.mysushishop.ch/fr/restaurants
https://www.sushishop.eu/

[kjonosm]

You can add "preserveTags": ["^name"] to these entries, so iD won't suggest changing the name tag, see e.g. here

[gileri]

You can add "preserveTags": ["^name"] to these entries, so iD won't suggest changing the name tag, see e.g. here

Thank you for your answer @kjonosm.
The changes I proposed are two folds :

• Do not suggest to replace a more complete name by just the brand (that would be covered by preserveTags as you point out)
• Avoid suggesting an incomplete name on OSM objects without a name already (that is not covered by preserveTags)

Just like for example McDoanld's are usually at least open Mo-Sa, we don't suggest opening_hours=Mo-Sa on OSM entities. Even though it's somewhat better than not including any opening_hours, that's incomplete and will hinder the precise filling of this value.

The same could be said about the website. Having the brand website on website=* is better than no website at all, but what's best is having the website of the branch. Suggesting putting the brand website when we know a dedicated branch website/page exists seems counterproductive.

[arch0345]

I agree with @kjonosm on this one: I believe it's better to have a name than no name at all for these fast food brands. For Five Guys, although the website shows they have the branch in their name, they're usually signed as just "Five Guys". If the French community prefers local names like the Norwegian/Swedish community, these brands should probably get their own entry restricted to just France.

[gileri]

Thank you for your answer too @arch0345 !

I believe it's better to have a name than no name at all for these fast food brands

Isn't that why brand=* exist ? Any consumer (e.g. like OSMAnd, JOSM do) can use it in lieu of name=* if it's not available. But suggesting/forcing to put an incomplete/incorrect name just to put a name seems counter-productive for the OSM database.
It's up to the consumers to choose what to do with the data. And it's a lot easier if the data is correct.

For Five Guys, although the website shows they have the branch in their name, they're usually signed as just "Five Guys"

If the shop chooses to use a specific name in its communication with patrons, why should we (OSM contributors) choose otherwise ?
I skipped some entries on that file because certain shops do not seem to use specific names for each branch. In that case, that's totally correct to put the brand as the name, because that's the ground (and online) reality.

[tas50]

Five guys really should not be mapped with the location name. That's now how they're signed and now how either Google Maps or Apple Maps shows it. That's just branch naming on their website.

[bhousel]

Oh yeah, I'm just seeing this now, @gileri please don't go deleting the name tags from all the items - I can't accept this PR as is.

We should publish some better guidance about how this project handles names, but the tl;dr today is:

• If the brand really does use completely different names for each location, then it's ok to not have a name tag. This is kind of unusual, but we've seen it for pub-like brands like Wetherspoon (Add Wetherspoons Pub #3009) and Harverster (Is name required? #4034)
• If the brand uses a unique name for each branch location and that name includes the brand, and that name is significant to how people refer to the thing, we add the name tag so that a user adding the POI initially will have it filled in, and we include preserveTags property so that iD will not try to change the name tag later. These are also exceptions, but somewhat common. Apple stores, Amazon lockers, cinemas, car dealerships, hotels, and many other categories are set up this way (Store more information (including name handling rules) for each category #4906 has more on this). Scandinavian community wants their POIs mapped this way (Store names which include the branch name #5500).
• Otherwise the brand doesn't really talk about each branch like it's a unique thing and people don't really think of it this way, and so we just set the name tag, and people can specify the branch name in the branch tag, and iD will try to nudge people towards this style of mapping. The vast majority of brands are like this. (Again see Store more information (including name handling rules) for each category #4906 and Store names which include the branch name #5500 for where we landed with this - this was the recommended style of tagging going back a while).

[gileri]

I thought that bringing accurate data was a goal of name-suggestion-index, that quality was more important than quantity.

Thank you for clarifying the position of the project. I'll guess I'll have to continue fixing incorrect names caused by NSI instead of making more meaningful contributions to OSM.

[gileri]

Five guys really should not be mapped with the location name. That's now how they're signed and now how either Google Maps or Apple Maps shows it. That's just branch naming on their website.

Thank you for sharing this data @tas50. As you can see by the 7 links I shared, the restaurants have a unique, public-facing name. I think the information on the franchise-owned websites is more authoritative on the subject than Google Maps or Apple Maps.

[tas50]

I'm not going strictly off Apple Maps or Google maps although both of those are very useful since the brands themselves generally choose how to be represented there. I'm going off personal experience going to 3 different Five Guys near me and 1 in another state. There's no mention of which store it is anywhere. They're just Five Guys.