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stop "COVID-19 Pandemic Hours" field being shown if opening_hours:covid19 is not present #401

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matkoniecz opened this issue Feb 13, 2022 · 7 comments
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At this point it is clear that COVID19 is not going to disappear and changed opening hours should be tagged in opening_hours

There is no point in encouraging people to fill this field

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tyrasd commented Feb 14, 2022

This request is reasonable, but I think that editors should not be the first to implement this change.

If there is consensus (which I would assume there is), a start would be to update the various pages on the osm wiki to reflect this new way of handling this topic. Afterwards, we can update the presets here.

@tyrasd tyrasd added waitfor-consensus there seems to be no clear consensus on this in the osm communtiy; this has to wait waitfor-documentation documentation about this tag is missing in the OSM wiki labels Feb 14, 2022
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matkoniecz commented Feb 14, 2022

Modified https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours:covid19 a bit, posted to tagging mailing list as a sanity check

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It seems that there is a clear support for stopping promotion of that tag, at least I interpreted it this way.

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Can someone else review https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-February/thread.html#63959 and judge is there consensus to stop prominent promotion of that tag?

Note also that recently many places started dropping COVID restrictions, at least for now. And I think that noone expects COVID19 to be fully eradicated any time soon.

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mxxcon commented Apr 11, 2022

Unless I missed some messages or misunderstood meaning, I didn't see anyone saying this field should remain.

@tyrasd tyrasd added waitfor-documentation documentation about this tag is missing in the OSM wiki and removed waitfor-consensus there seems to be no clear consensus on this in the osm communtiy; this has to wait waitfor-documentation documentation about this tag is missing in the OSM wiki labels May 20, 2022
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…by making the field an optional field which is not displayed by default when selecting a preset. This approach allows mapeprs to easily see now potentially outdated pandemic opening hours and check/update/fix/convert them accordinly.
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tyrasd commented May 20, 2022

4de347d starts the phasing out of this field by making the field an optional (moreFields) field which is not shown by default when selecting a preset. This approach allows mappers to easily see now potentially outdated pandemic opening hours and check/update/fix/convert them accordingly.

PS: Here's a current usage graph of the tag:

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I tend to keep the field around until we have at least one of the following:

  • the tag's status is deprecated on the wiki
  • there is significant drop in usage compared to the current numbers and negative trend
  • usage of the tag remain stagnant for a longer time (~1 year)

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matkoniecz commented May 20, 2022

Thanks!

Not sure whether we will reach any time soon a situation where this tag should be removed on sight which would justify a deprecation rule.

And in such case mass edit in local area, approved by local community would be likely superior anyway.

There is no point in encouraging people to fill this field

This is achieved, so I will close this issue.

there is significant drop in usage compared to the current numbers and negative trend

Though for the love of all what is holy: do not try to run undiscussed bot/mass edits to achieve this! Consult with local community before doing this.

EDIT: see https://taghistory.raifer.tech/#***/opening_hours%3Acovid19/ for a progress. Trend seems clear, hopefully noone will mess it up with undiscussed bot edits.

@matkoniecz matkoniecz changed the title remove COVID-19 Pandemic Hours stop "COVID-19 Pandemic Hours" field being shown if opening_hours:covid19 is not present May 20, 2022
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